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Obama at Church | Is Obama Christian? | Obama Goes To Church | Mediaite

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A recently released Pew Research poll shows that an increasing number of Americans, especially Republicans, seem to believe that a self-described Christian President Obama is actually a Muslim. Yesterday the President and the first family attended an Episcopalian church in D.C., and many in the media are suggesting that perhaps the Obama's church visit was meant to combat that misconception surrounding his spirituality. While that's certainly a possibility, maybe they just wanted to go to church?

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Writing for The Dallas Blog, Tom McGregor seems to posit that the real reason that the President went to church was to dispel the myth that he is covertly Muslim.

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easyjjgrand3

Who so ever among you without sin......Cast the first stone.

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
douglasq

I've managed to avoid any confusion by the public about my own religious faith by not going to church at all.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT
neoatg

What's sad is that many will see this as trying to dispel criticism or some such nonsense. The man has a lot on his plate As the PRESIDENT of the USA. Going to church isn't a a regular event for most Americans because of workload. How you people expect the leader of the country to regularly go is beyond me.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT
xikaiden

Still can't believe this is really an issue for people. Why does it matter if he's christian, jewish, agnostic, athiest, wiccan, buddhist, or muslim?

Personally as an non-christian, I prefer him keeping his religious beliefs to himself, and would really prefer that all christians would follow that example. Just because you guys go to church every sunday (or more often than that) doesn't mean your better than those of other faiths or those who don't go to church.

  • 9 votes
#1.3 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:18 PM EDT
CuriousG

Going to church doesn't make anyone a Christian.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:59 PM EDT
Radio Free America

I wish they would make up their minds. Pre-election he should not be President for going to a Christian church with Reverend Wright as pastor. Even though he attended a Christian church, post election he is a Muslim until Sarah Palin said he is an atheist who is more of an agnostic.

  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:29 PM EDT
CuriousG

Everyone should know, they change their stance to support the situation at the moment.

How's that for situational ethics? And, they want us to believe their ethics are fixed and unchangeable. Yeah, right.

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:38 PM EDT
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Jim-789449

Just because the man goes to church does not mean he is a Christian, it could mean that he is just a hypocrite like so many others.

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:23 PM EDT
douglasq

So if he were to visit a mosque, can we agree that wouldn't necessarily make him a Muslim?

Because, if Obama DID visit a mosque, you know Fox News/all the teabaggers/Rush Limbaugh would all be like, "I told you so!"

  • 7 votes
#2.1 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:28 PM EDT
neoatg

The average American Christian has trouble going to church regularly because of work, family and, so on. How you people expect the Leader of our country to go is beyond me.

  • 7 votes
#2.2 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT
xikaiden

Its 8am... Sunday... war going on over seas, economy's still struggling, fellow party members need help with campaigns... but high strung right wing christians demand he be sitting in a church pew. Nice job evangelicals. Just hope theres never a terror attack on a sunday, because the right will decree him to be an agnostic, athiest, muslim, anti-christian, devil worshipper if he's not sitting in the front row through the whole service.

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:24 PM EDT
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Im 4Me

If he is a Christian, what church is he a member of? Who is his pastor?

    Reply#3 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
    trm2008

    You don't have to go to church to be a Christian.

    • 8 votes
    #3.1 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT
    Neish1920

    Funny, no one was saying Obama was a covert Muslim when Rev. Wright was running off @ the mouth.

    You dont have to belong to a church to be a Christian. When I moved, I church hopped for about 2 years before a became a regular member of the church I belong to now.

    • 8 votes
    #3.2 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT
    not over it

    If he is a Christian, what church is he a member of? Who is his pastor?

    If he isn't a member of a church and doesn't have a pastor, then does that, in your mind, make him a Muslim?

    • 6 votes
    #3.3 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT
    Rank on Rank

    Im 4Me,

    He does go to church regularly and he does have a pastor. If you don't know which church or what pastor. You don't have to remain ignorant. Google it.

    By the way, where do you go to church and who's your pastor?

    • 3 votes
    #3.4 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:55 PM EDT
    Im 4Me

    no church except on special occasions, no pastor, and I'm not the leader of this Christian country and its people.

      #3.5 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:45 PM EDT
      xikaiden

      Wow... how hypocritical of you... You call him out over not going to church regularly, when you yourself say you don't go except on special occasions. By your own logic we should all be questioning whether you are an athiest, muslim, anti-christ, agnostic.

      • 5 votes
      #3.6 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:00 AM EDT
      easyjjgrand3

      and I'm not the leader of this Christian country and its people.

      I believe you misspoke. We are a melting pot of religions, and non religions..... There are Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, and so forth. Americans all.

      At times It's humorous the microscope under which this President works. By the way, did you know he had on socks that didn't match.

      • 7 votes
      #3.7 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:21 AM EDT
      Neish1920

      no church except on special occasions, no pastor, and I'm not the leader of this Christian country and its people.

      Oh, so you are one of those CME Christians, you only go on Christmas, Mother's day and Easter...

      This country was founded on Christian principles, but the main reason the English came here to begin with was to escape religioius scrutiny. Prostestants (note the word protest is the root word). Freedom of religion, and seperation of church and state are also key fundamentals that this Christian country was founded on.

      Can you name the church's that the last 4 presidents attended?

      • 3 votes
      #3.8 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:38 AM EDT
      Im 4Me

      Wow... how hypocritical of you... You call him out over not going to church regularly, when you yourself say you don't go except on special occasions

      Wow, I also explained why I don't go. I'm not president or a hypocrite.

      By your own logic we should all be questioning whether you are an athiest, muslim, anti-christ, agnostic.

      You're holding me to the same standard as you hold the president. So yes you should ask questions. With regard to your president, its an important question. With regard to me, somewhat less important.

      so you are one of those CME Christians.

      Yes I am.....

      Can you name the church's that the last 4 presidents attended?

      Oh Gawd no.

        #3.9 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:27 PM EDT
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        gunn62

        The only reason that he publically showed him and his family going to church was for votes for the democrats.

          Reply#4 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT
          not over it

          The only reason that he publically showed him and his family going to church was for votes for the democrats.

          So, you believe that he is not religious?? Or do you believe he is not Christian?

          • 6 votes
          #4.1 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:24 PM EDT
          trm2008

          gunn believes he can read minds.

          • 5 votes
          #4.2 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:46 PM EDT
          easyjjgrand3

          The only reason that he publically showed him and his family going to church was for votes for the democrats.

          That has to be one of the most ridiculous posts ever.

          How Is Obama going to Church going to garner votes for the Democratic Party?
          Please elaborate.

          • 9 votes
          #4.3 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:16 PM EDT
          xikaiden

          Maybe Gunn thinks Obama can talk to god there and will get divine intervention? X'D

          Although they've already got some divine intervention by having crazy people running under the flag of the tea party.

          • 4 votes
          #4.4 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:04 AM EDT
          gunn62

          To try and dispel the rumors that he is muslim. He figures that if the public sees him in church they will conclude that he isn't such a bad guy after all. He's desperately trying to appear like a "regular Joe" because his image so far has hurt the democrats. Explain why the majority of them don't want him any where near them while running for reelection. Go ahead, spin it.

          xikaiden:

          The tea party was originally formed as a result of the taxes being imposed by Obama's government. As things went along and he became more radical with his agenda more people got fed up. Believing in not allowing the government to over step it's authority is not crazy. It's patriotic. Libs aren't patriots so they won't understand the concept. They are of the mindset of taking from the successful and giving it to the "do nothings". The libs punish success with trying to take away the fruits of one's hard labor. That's always been the democrats agenda. Entitlements

            #4.5 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:48 AM EDT
            xikaiden

            No the majority of the tea partiers are the ones who are sore about McCain losing. The birthers that make up the majority of the party were around before he was elected. The muslim rumors were around before he was elected, even despite all the moans, groans and complaints about Rev. Wright.

            And you guys also wanna make it all out to be some radical agenda. No its a plain old ordinary left of center agenda. Dem's didn't just come into the picture ya know. You all say its suddenly now a leftist, communist, socialist, marxist, anti-colonial, muslim, agenda now just because Obama is in office. Sounds more like a bunch of closet racists and bigots to me.

            And Dem's are no less patriotic than you on the right. There is no "Real" America and "Fake" America. There is only AMERICA and we are all citizens and no less patriotic than you. Just because we don't share the same ideologies and accept the FACTLESS propaganda that comes from Fox Pundits 24/7 as if it were scripture from GOD, does not... make us any less american than you.

            And I really hope that after you stated the rant about entitlements that you went to your parents and grandparents and demanded that they cancel receiving a dime more from SSI and medicare. You should also demand that any veterans you know back out of any benefits they get from the VA. After all, they're doing nothing but living off "entitlements" that you're so much against.

            • 5 votes
            #4.6 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:20 AM EDT
            Radio Free America

            The only reason that he publically showed him and his family going to church was for votes for the democrats

            To try and dispel the rumors that he is muslim. He figures that if the public sees him in church they will conclude that he isn't such a bad guy after all.

            So long before running for President he went to a Christian church so Democrats would vote for him but was really not a Christian?

            Well is was not necessary since Congressman Keith Ellison a Democrat is Muslim and would not be in Congress if Democrats and not voted for him. Obviously he is not a "bad guy."

            • 4 votes
            #4.7 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:18 AM EDT
            trm2008

            The tea party was originally formed as a result of the taxes being imposed by Obama's government.

            You mean the tax cuts that Obama gave to the vast majority of Americans.

            • 6 votes
            #4.8 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:07 AM EDT
            proglib

            Since 94.5% of American workers have received tax cuts since Obama was inaugurated, that only proves how misinformed the tea party is.

            During the campaign, the independent Tax Policy Center researched how Obama's tax proposals would affect workers. It concluded 94.3 percent of workers would receive a tax cut under Obama's plan based on the tax credit to offset payroll taxes. According to the analysis, the people who wouldn't get a tax cut are those who make more than $250,000 for couples or $200,000 for a single person. Obama said he intended to raise taxes on those high earners, a promise he reiterated during the State of the Union, and that revenue would offset the stimulus tax cut.

            Because the stimulus act did give that broad-based tax cut to workers, we rate Obama's statement True.

            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/28/barack-obama/tax-cut-95-percent-stimulus-made-it-so/

            • 7 votes
            #4.9 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:01 AM EDT
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            s w w

            Yesterday the President and the first family attended an Episcopalian church in D.C.,

            What an odd choice...

            given the radically democratic (not in reference to the DNC, but in reference to his faith in democracy- rule by the people- even beyond the confines of representative democracy) the President's socio-political views are, I'm surprised that he would pick a denomination that works on a hierarchical polity. At least when he was at Trinity UCC in Chicago, that made sense. The UCC operates on a Congregationalist polity. You can't tell me that the nature of church polity doesn't reflect the theology of the denomination.

            To me it would make sense for this president to worship in a congregation that operated on either a Congregationalist or Presbyterian polity structure, but a congregation that operates on an Episcopal model seems really strange for him.

            maybe that's a totally small and insignificant detail, but I think it's interesting none the less...

            • 4 votes
            Reply#5 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:39 PM EDT
            CuriousG

            Maybe they've finally settled in enough to go church shopping.

            Though, I have to agree with your comments regarding the various church polities.

            • 4 votes
            #5.1 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:47 PM EDT
            Neish1920

            They all preach from the same Bible right? So what does it matter what sect/denomination he attends? I have gone to baptist, methodist, COC, COGIC, and now a non-denominational church. All the Bible, and with a good preacher, the "section" doesnt really matter.

            • 3 votes
            #5.2 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:47 PM EDT
            s w w

            The reason I say the polity of the denomination matters is how they interpret Biblical theology when it comes to issues of hierarchy, egalitarianism and democracy. It makes a difference in how they approach the act of worship, mission, eccuminicism and even how the interact with the world outside the church.

            • 3 votes
            #5.3 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:08 PM EDT
            LadySaidy

            The Episcopal church is about the congregation, not who is at the top. I grew up in the church. One thing that can be said about it is that we welcome all to worship.

            I find it interesting SWW that you would bring up the differences between denominations. I have attended services at a variety of denominations and truly, the main difference I see is the style of delivery and the interpretation of the scripture. As an Episicopal, I was not taught to take the Bible literally, but as lessons to be learned. I was also taught the treat the world as God's creation and to take care of it. The Episcopal Church does mission work, charitable works, our "acts of worship" are probably just a bit too low key for you? We are a quiet bunch...

            We prefer cake. :) (*Eddie Izzard fans will get this referece).

            I don't think it matters one whit where or if the President goes to services, what his religion is, or if he even has one. I want a President that is intelligent and is willing to work hard to do what is best for this country. Now I don't always agree with what the President does or says, nor with all of his ideas, but I still think he is doing his best trying to get others to work with him towards a greater good for us all.

            • 4 votes
            #5.4 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:19 PM EDT
            Neish1920

            have attended services at a variety of denominations and truly, the main difference I see is the style of delivery

            That is what I noticed as well. And even the traditional delivery was different depending on the age of the pastor. (well, to me anyway )

            • 3 votes
            #5.5 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:45 AM EDT
            Neish1920

            It makes a difference in how they approach the act of worship, mission, eccuminicism and even how the interact with the world outside the church

            Maybe, but one would still need to attend a service to see if what works best for them. When it comes to church service, you cant take someone else's word for it, you have to have go looksee for yourself.

            • 1 vote
            #5.6 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:48 AM EDT
            s w w

            I understand your points for sure. And certainly no two congregations are exactly alike, regardless of denomination. I can certainly understand the value of episcopal liturgy. But It's just a really top-down way of doing church, and that surprised me. I expected him to be more of a bottom-up kind of guy. That's all I was trying to say.

            • 2 votes
            #5.7 - Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:26 AM EDT
            LadySaidy

            SWW - It may seem that way in the macro view, and might even work that way for the most part, but each church is definitely a community working together. :)

            • 2 votes
            #5.8 - Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:10 PM EDT
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            DSKI-1290107

            The biggest sinners are those who claim they are saints.........DSKI

            On that note, i can't think of a single religion without blood on it's hand. which is why i'm baffled by folks who would be upset IF Obama said he was not a Christian. the religion itself may be about peace, but those who are part of it have proven to be otherwise. this goes for Christian, Muslims, Mormons, etc. none of them can point the finger at the next.

            if there's a hell below, we're all gonna go......Curtis Mayfield.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#6 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:54 AM EDT
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